Tea Bagger Meltdown

[john]

If you didnt like what people said about Bush's intelligence is it mature to go and do the same thing to Obama? That shows a preschoolers mentality (something mr. fool seems to like as well) Come on lets be real. Even the present Secretary of Defense (Mr. Gates) has intimated that Obama is a much more engaged and "curious" individual. I never believed Bush was stupid just intellectually lazy and incurious. Even one of Bush's speech writers is out with a book reinforcing that idea.

Once again your anger and hatred is skewing your rationality. Take a step back before your harm your own health.

I dont play that game Lloyd. You are a bullshiter, you hated Bush. I can tell from your post and the links you put up that you bought into everything those left wing sites said. Now you think I am going to buy into the polosie bullshit about being civil in the name calling, when I have put up with it from her and her ilk for the last 8 years when they talked about Bush. Dont try that Sol luwinski bullshit with me cause its not going to work.

As a matter of fact, I love when people like you post it just makes me post even more to show what a twit you people are and that every one of your ideas are ridiculous.

[Havakasha]

Why dont you answer what your friend said about Beck? "he is a moron" " he is short on the facts" etc. etc. I know you are a strong follower of Mr. Beck so i am sure that it came as a shock to have someone on the same ideological side as you say such things.

yes i am on the left and proud of it. But i am not a hater type and anyone who knows me will say so, but i am not going to waste my time trying to prove it.
What you are doing is called projecting. look it up.

[Havakasha]

He then goes on.

" i still dont like Beck and IGNORE HIM. HE'S A MORON! HE SPEWS A LOT OF
HATRED AND AND HIS RACIST ATTITUDE LIES BENEATH THE SURFACE. He purports to be a populist and for the commone man, but lives in a ritzy suburb in a $5 million mansion. PLEASE GO SELL BS SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE ARE ALL FULL UP HERE."

Does that jog your memory John? And beck is one of the guys you get your info from. Jeez.

Another jog of the memory. answer the charge he makes about one of your heroes.

[Havakasha]

Here are some facts.

It was on the stock thread and you new it all along.

"John... i respect your point of view. I am fairly conservative, more a liberterian actually, but i viewed the clip and frankly dont see anything to it. i have no info on this guy Lloyd, but if you look at the clip by itself, it appears he is just recounting what Chavez did....
GLEN BECK IS A WINDBAG. He shouts and carrys on over everything and sees left wing conspiracies everywhere. He should go back to being a comedian because he is clueless, long on hyperbole, and SHORT ON FACTS. I like O'reilly. he is much more professional and even handed. Hannity used to be more like Bill, but he is becoming more like Beck, though more polished. I AM NOT A FAN OF OBAMA POLICIES, BUT TO THINK HE IS A RADICAL SOCIALIST IS NOT THE CASE. He is advocating socialist policy in health care, and perhaps other things as well...all of which I disagree with. BUT GUYS LIKE BECK HAVE NO CREDIBILITY WITH ME."

JOHN this is a guy who is on your side politically.

Did you really read this? Take another look. Read it slowly and then tell me where it isnt true/

[john]

Your "friend" said the video DIDNT show what you said it did.
This is the "friend" who is on the same politically side as you.

I know its hard to be shot down by someone on your side but here is a chance to say something like well maybe i got a little carried away with my point of view. Or well sorry you didnt see it the way i did.
That aint your way John is it? Just plow ahead and never acknowledge any problem with your postion. You're quite a piece of work .

Are you out of your mind. Here is why you cant be trusted, this was the last two comments on the subject, IN FULL. It shows you totally lied. Where in there did I back off and where in there did "underway" not end up saying "Thanks John. I respect your analysis" after I broke the video down. In the end underway does not say he thinks Mark Lloyd is not a radical but that he will most likely be out in 4 years and it will not matter. That is something I disagree with him on because the damage Obama and his radical racist friends do may not be reversble for a long time there after, healthcare is a clear example of that.


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John....I respect your point of view. I am fairly conservative, more a libertarian actually, but I viewed the clip and frankly don't see anything to it. I have no info on this guy Lloyd, but if you look at the clip by itself, it appears he's just recounting what Chavez did, not offering an opinion as to whether it was good or bad. He does note that Rwanda radio was misused by one tribe to incite genocide against another. I'll do some more research on Lloyd though.
Glen Beck is a windbag. He shouts and carrys on over everything and sees left wing conspiracies everywhere. He should go back to being a comedian, because he's clueless, long on hyperbole, and short on facts. I like O'Reilly. He's much more professional and even handed. Hannity used to be more like Bill, but he's becoming more like Beck, though more polished.
I'm not a fan of Obama policies, but, to think he's a radical socialist is not the case. He is advocating socialist policy in health care, and perhaps other things as well....all of which I disagree with. But guys like Beck have no credibility with me.
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underway, You are falling into the same misconception many do. You dont have to care where the information comes from, the video speaks for itself. I personally cant believe you dont see what Mark Lloyd is saying in the video. First you say this:

"it appears he's just recounting what Chavez did, not offering an opinion as to whether it was good or bad."

and then this:

"He does note that Rwanda radio was misused by one tribe to incite genocide against another.

I will break it down for you and take direct qoutes from the video to show what exactly he is saying. I will take the 2 in order of which they came in the clip. First Mark Lloyd says this; "STATE radio in Rwanda was taken over by one tribe one group and they began to put out propoganda." What he is saying here is that if the state run radio would have stayed in the control of the state, the genocide would have never happen, that when private groups of people get control of the media bad things happen.

If that was not clear enough for you he gives you another example when he uses Hugo Chavez.

here is that direct qoute;

"In Venezuela with Chavez, REALLY AN INCREDIBLE REVOLUTION a DRAMAITIC REVOLUTION. To begin to put in place saying that we're going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela."

You cant take what he says here any other way except that he concludes what Chavez dids was a good thing in his mind.

next he says this:

"The property owners and the people that where controlling the media in Venezuela rebelled worked frankly with folks here in the U.S. government worked to oust him."

I first would like to bring up something else, he says "PROPERTY OWNERS". Do you know if we were talking about the U.S. instead of Venezuela Mark Lloyd is talking about people like us, you and me (share holders).

What he says in the last quote was that because of the media (not controlled by the state) this great revolution did not take hold at first and that it was not until it was crushed that it could.


He gives 2 examples in his mind of how media not controlled by the state had terrible consequences. I will say that if the first quote was not enough then the second should be enough to show exactly where he is coming from and what he would like to see.


Here is a better clip that has a better picture so you can make out more clearly what he is saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF2C2...eature=related


Here is something else for you to think about. Remember when the merger was going on and almost everyone was saying this diversity issue was nothing more then a blantant grap for spectrum. That it cant be reasonible or legal. Well I can now see how and why this issue took up so much time and why they had to give up what they had to, to get the merger through. Remember the outrage at what George Town Partners was doing and how everyone was saying this cant be happening here in the USA. Well look out brother because if this guy has his way it will be common place.


underway, I suggest you look very closely at things or before you know what hit you, it will be here and dont say, "what could we do, I didn't see it coming", because I just tried to show you.



Hannity tried to warn you just what kind of man Obama was when he told you about Rev. Right back in March of 2007 (thats right 2007), he tried to tell you all about Bill Aiers. Are you now going to try and tell me that it was some kind of qiuntessence that the fellow partner and founder in the Bill Aiers Weather Underground is now on the board of the orginization that helped right most of the stimulas bill.


P.S. I did not even bring up the other (self avowed) communist, convicted criminals, and radicals, Obama has advising him because they have nothing to do with this thread but there are many and far spread.

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Originally Posted by john

P.S. I did not even bring up the other (self avowed) communist, convicted criminals, and radicals, Obama has advising him because they have nothing to do with this thread but there are many and far spread.
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** this is underways response**


Thanks John. I respect your analysis, but, I am not concerned to the level you are. Our system will balance this out during the next congressional election. That's the beauty of American democracy. The political pendulum swings. Most Americans are in the center, some a little left, some right. The radicals on either side cannot get full control for this reason. As long as we have free and fair elections, a disastrous calamity that you suggest is highly unlikely. Have a good day, and SIRI is moving up today. That's what counts!

[john]

Here is more proof you lied Loyd, Nowhere in the thread did I try to defend Beck. What I said is clear in the next few post. This was the first response to Adumbical, where in here did I defend Beck:

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Are you kidding me did you not read this part of what I said. **"Dont believe it, hear it for yourselves goto Glen Beck, you dont have to believe Beck ether because he puts up the video of what these people have said."**

Goto the second video play the first 2 minutes of it it is a video of Mark Lloyd talking about what a great man Hugo Chavez is and how what he did to the media in Venezuela was a good thing.

I have to ask are you that blind that you dont even believe your own eyes when the video shows Mark Lloyd saying it himself.



http://www.glennbeck.com/content/tv/

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For those that want to see for themselves the truth then goto the post inwhich it all started then ask yourselves if anything Havakasha (aka: Lloyd handrecker) says is true. Is it any wonder he did not want to link to the thread to show what was said.

Here is the link:

http://siriusbuzz.com/forum/showthre...?t=2538&page=5

It starts at post 43,45,46,47,48,71,72,73,74,81,108.

I think even a dumbass could see that first of all I did not defend Beck in that thread just the information Beck provided (I will today because it just so happens I just tune into him back then and did not know enough about him then, but I do now). Second that Havakasha lied yet again when he said I backed off from the topic. That never happened and it was Adumbical that did that and in the end underway respected the analysis of Mark Lloyd, just that it would not matter after 4 years.

[john]

Did you really read this? Take another look. Read it slowly and then tell me where it isnt true/

Hey dumbass try looking at the last thing underway says I put it up for your retarded brain. Once again you dont do through research into things and why you keep getting burned everytime.

[john]

Once again things Beck has been able to get done and without him they mostlikely would not have happen:


As for Becks credibility, his results speak for themselves:


1) Beck was the first one to investigate Van Jones (a self afest communist, radical, and from what he says a racist). Beck was the reason Van Jones had to rightfully so, resign.

2) Beck was correct about the house healthcare bill and told everyone that this passing bills of this size at lighting speed had to be slowed down. He is part and parcel the reason the House bill did not become reality.

3) Beck was one of the first to cover ACORN and tell people how bad they are. He was the FIRST one to air the ACORN videos inwhich it showed just how corrupte they are. Beck was responsible for getting ACORNs government funding (our tax dollars) cut off.




RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. Unless you are in Adumbicals thought process where he believes ACORN fired 4 people because of false information.

[Havakasha]

I love it. You still defend the things he says but not him.

Very glad to see you dont defend Glen Beck anymore. LOL. Do you still listen to Mr. Beck? This is the man who Underway (a person on your politiical side) called a windbag, a moron, someone not to be listened to, someone without any facts,a liar, and a racist to boot? Do you normally listen to liars for your source of news? It only took you multiple posts where i called Beck one of your main sources of info and one of your heroes to come to this point. Not once did you deny that during all those posts. Do you still defend the absurd claim by Mr. Beck that there were millions of people at the teabaggers rally in DC? It clearly was a lie. Even the sponsors of the rally had a much lower figure and we all know that sponsors usually exaggerate their rally figures.
Do you defend Beck's claim that President Obama "hates white people"?

You ran away with your tail between your legs as i stated correctly because you didnt have the courage to answer any of Underway's main charges about Beck. You didnt even try to counter his remark that Obama isnt a radical socialist. We all know you believe that with all your heart.

The fact is that you listen to and believe people who are completely poisoning the politcal atmosphere in this country. It seems clear that you really do hate the man who is our President and that scares the hell out me.

[john]

I love it. You still defend the things he says but not him.

Very glad to see you dont defend Glen Beck anymore. LOL. Do you still listen to Mr. Beck? This is the man who Underway (a person on your politiical side) called a windbag, a moron, someone not to be listened to, someone without any facts,a liar, and a racist to boot? Do you normally listen to liars for your source of news? It only took you multiple posts where i called Beck one of your main sources of info and one of your heroes to come to this point. Not once did you deny that during all those posts. Do you still defend the absurd claim by Mr. Beck that there were millions of people at the teabaggers rally in DC? It clearly was a lie. Even the sponsors of the rally had a much lower figure and we all know that sponsors usually exaggerate their rally figures.
Do you defend Beck's claim that President Obama "hates white people"?

You ran away with your tail between your legs as i stated correctly because you didnt have the courage to answer any of Underway's main charges about Beck. You didnt even try to counter his remark that Obama isnt a radical socialist. We all know you believe that with all your heart.

The fact is that you listen to and believe people who are completely poisoning the politcal atmosphere in this country. It seems clear that you really do hate the man who is our President and that scares the hell out me.

Dumbass, Once again can you read I just said this:


"I think even a dumbass could see that first of all I did not defend Beck in that thread just the information Beck provided (I will today because it just so happens I just tune into him back then and did not know enough about him then, but I do now)."


That should answer your post. But because you are a dumbass, I will explain it more clearly. That while then I was only defending Becks information because I only just started to watch him, I would NOW defend Beck because the results Beck has gotten are unmistakable. Now while Underway may think Beck is crazy I could care less the RESULTS speak for themselves.

You cant argue with the results Bect has gotten, All these things happen because of Beck and Beck alone. If Beck never reported on them they would not have become the problems they did for Obama and the democrats.

1) Beck was the first one to investigate Van Jones (a self afest communist, radical, and from what he says a racist). Beck was the reason Van Jones had to rightfully so, resign.

2) Beck was correct about the house healthcare bill and told everyone that this passing bills of this size at lighting speed had to be slowed down. He is part and parcel the reason the House bill did not become reality.

3) Beck was one of the first to cover ACORN and tell people how bad they are. He was the FIRST one to air the ACORN videos inwhich it showed just how corrupte they are. Beck was responsible for getting ACORNs government funding (our tax dollars) cut off.



As for your me answering underways questions about Obama being a radical socialist. If you could read I already put up underways last comment to me inwhich he specifcally states:

"Thanks John. I respect your analysis, but, I am not concerned to the level you are. Our system will balance this out during the next congressional election. That's the beauty of American democracy."

Now if you were not a dumbass you could see that while he agrees with my analysis he believes it wont matter because they all will be voted out in 4 years anyway.


Finally because you are a dumbass I doubt you will be able to get what I put up and that is why you are so easy to sway and be mislead.

I call people like you a dumbass because when I have to keep putting up the same thing to answer the same questions and explain how those things explain your questions in even more simple terms each time and you still dont get it, there could only be one reason and that is, you are a dumbass.