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    Few people really want hybrids.

    Here is the link:

    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/18/3960/#more-3960



    "Government mandates, preferences and subsidies don’t work. Here’s another example.

    When gas prices hit record levels over the summer, companies were furiously pumping out oil to meet surging global demand. As the economy took a turn for the worse and demand slowed, there was a noticeable lag as companies continued to supply oil at a high rate, bringing the price down even further.

    A similar phenomenon is happening with hybrid car sales. Wes Brown, a partner at Los Angeles-based market research firm Iceology, told the Los Angeles Times:


    When gas prices came down, the priority of buying a hybrid fell off quite quickly. Yet even as consumer interest declined, the manufacturers have continued to pump them out.”

    The recession caused vehicle sales to fall across the board and the lag in production to reflect consumer demand certainly is part of the story. But there’s another story to tell for the strong supply despite reduced demand. Government mandates.

    The Ford and Honda hybrids due out this month are among dozens planned for the coming years as automakers try to meet new fuel-efficiency standards and please politicians overseeing the industry’s multibillion-dollar bailout.

    Today there are about 80 days’ worth on hand, and dealers are working much harder — even with the help of $500 factory rebates — to move the egg-shaped gas-savers off lots from Santa Monica to Miami.

    This month, Honda is offering $2,000 in cash, financing and leasing incentives to buyers of the formerly sold-out Civic hybrid, while a dealer in northern Michigan is dangling $6,000 cash back to those willing to buy a hulking Chevy Tahoe hybrid.

    Yet automakers believe they have little choice but to make more hybrids. Though car buyers are losing interest, politicians are pushing them as key to reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil and limiting the global-warming gases that cars emit into the atmosphere.”

    This goes to show that the market has a hard enough time meeting consumer demand with adequate supply, hence one of the primary reasons for inventory. It also goes to show that when the government gets involved to make decisions for the market, whether it be through subsidies, mandates or any other preferential treatment, the situation only becomes worse for the producer and consumer."


    Author: Nick Loris

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    Because there is a dumbshit out there that just cant seem to do research of things he reads I will post the link that was posted to the article above if you goto the link you will see most of what the heritage article says is backed up and repeated by the LA Times (not a right wing think tank by far). if the LA times is known for anything it is known for being more liberial then conservative.

    Also you will notice and I have said before that hybrids have fallen much more then all the rest of the cars. You cant blame worse sales of something on a recession if the others are not following the same bad sales. Sales of cars are bad but some models are worse then others and there are other reasons for that, you only need the smallest bit of common sense to figure that out.



    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar...ss/fi-hybrid17

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    Here is a perfect example of what I have been saying for the longest time (that the technology is not here yet and wont be for about 20 years.). Here is a link to that article. Please though, you dont have to believe the Heritage article follow the links they will bring you to the Washington Post which then gives you the link to the study on the subject or just goto the twp links I just provided on this.



    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/04/29/...ild/#more-5922



    http://www.bcg.com/impact_expertise/...n_2009_rev.pdf

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    P.S. If you goto the study it shows that the newer batteries last twice as long but they also cost twice as much as I first said. So what has really changed for the cost basis? The time frame has gone from 5 to 7 years (and a cost of 4,000 to 5,000 dollars) for the OLD batteries, TO a time frame of 11 to 12 years (and a cost of 11,000 to 12,000 dollars) for the NEWER batteries.


    The answer is to the question before is, NOTHING.

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    Lloyd is a dumbass he takes a few words from a total study of thousands of words. To prove what a dumbass he is I will put up what he said and then explain why he is a dumbass.

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    lloyd said this:

    "From the neutral study the following quote.
    "The trend is clearly visible from the fact that the hybrid car sales worldwide showed a positive growth compared to an overall decline in the global automobile sales in 2008" ''

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    Now look at what he has said carefully he trys to prove his point by saying the study even says this, and yes it does that is correct. What lloyd wants people to forget or not reallize or not remember though is, what where the prices of fuel back in 2008, thats right 142 dollars a barrel. It has been talked about and proven that as fuel prices go up so will the sales of hybrids and as they come down so go the sales of hybrids. Lloyd just proved my point from threads before. The study makes it clear though even with the best case for hybrids, sales will not be where they need to be by even 2020.



    Lloyd takes 30 words out of a study that uses thousands of words and many graphs to try to put disbelief in what the study shows. The study in the end takes three different projections with what could happen in severity of what people might believe about global warming and fuel prices. They go from global warming being no big deal to it being a big deal, also with fuel prices staying relatively low to being very expensive. What the study in its whole says is that dont put your money into hybrids in the next 11 years under any of the senarios they projected (for lloyd, THAT INCLUDES EVEN THE BEST CASE SENARIO FOR HYBRIDS). That by 2020 even under the best case for hybrids they will not be economical.

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    Once agian they are saying the new batteries are going to last 11 to 12 and cost 12 to 13 thousand dollars that does not take away from the fact that the old ones when we first talked about this did not have the time frame or prices that I said they where. There is one fact that has not changed and that is when the time frame went up so did the cost of the battery bank. It still does not change the fact that the batteries are another expense that make the hybrid not economical.

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    The last few threads needed this to be brought to the top to show better what is being said.

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