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    Health coverage may be mandated

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

    More info on health care reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker View Post
    Well I guess that I will become a "Christian Scientist" then.
    And make it against my religion!!

    Kiss your "Roe v Wade" goodbye if thats the case!!

    Here is your single payer crap, compliments from the bilhary campaign!!

    http://vodpod.com/watch/1765187-obam...thcare-program

    OK, I am done, nothing new here!!! Goodbye drone!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    Well I guess that I will become a "Christian Scientist" then.
    And make it against my religion!!

    Kiss your "Roe v Wade" goodbye if thats the case!!

    Here is your single payer crap, compliments from the bilhary campaign!!

    http://vodpod.com/watch/1765187-obam...thcare-program

    OK, I am done, nothing new here!!! Goodbye drone!!!

    Damn and i thought you were the drone!
    if you read the article you will notice that single-payer supporters
    oppose the mandates. Among other things that would mean what? Yes Dread thats right the Obama administrations plan is not single-payer. Sorry buddy
    to point out facts.

    Bilhary sounds like a drone word.

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    Health coverage is a mandate already.

    If someone doesn't have coverage, they simply go to the hospital or communtiy clinic and they get health care.

    The difference is that those folks without coverage are simply paid for by me, the business owner taxpayer.

    IF healthcare is mandatory, then maybe those folks would actually have to pay for it.

    But, what do I know? I'm just a happy tax paying Democrat that can't afford to pay the insurance coverage for my 13 employees, so they get screwed. Which means we all get screwed.

    I would love to see anyone's ideas on this problem. But, it bothers me to no end that certain people with certain beliefs, just keep knocking any new ideas down without putting up any other new ideas.

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    Candleman

    You do know that under the current proposels, you will not have a choice...you will be mandated to offer coverage to your employees...or be fined...So, guess what...you will have only a couple of choices...none of which are worth a crap...1. raise you prices to cover the increased costs (probable loss of some business), 2. Reduce your work force from 13 to whatever number it takes to reduce your costs enough to cover your remaining employees...3. Keep all your employees, pay for there insurance...and in 6-12 months...close your doors...Thats it!!!

    Candleman- with 13 employees, your probably in the tax bracket that is going to be taxed even more...Sounds like your party is fixing to screw you as well!

    If this is such a great idea...why doesn't the all Dem House, Senate, and Pres just pass it! Hummm...maybe they don't want to have their name on it when it totally destroys our healthcare system.

    Don't get me wrong...I'm all for reduced healthcare costs for everyone(except undocumented immigrants)...I just believe that there is a rush to pass something...that in the long run...will be detrimental to our country!

    Candleman- do you think that before a bill is passed...it should be read?
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    Lloyd

    Looks like your man is starting to get crushed by the new polls that are coming out! > 50% are against the current proposed healthcare reform. And after tonights performance...number will be even worse! Couldn't even answer one softball question by the press!

    He has no idea what is even being prosposed!

    At one point, Obama stated...I have the best healthcare in the world!!!! Hummmmm...he has the best healthcare in the world...but our healthcare sucks? Doesn't add up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by just sirius View Post
    Candleman

    You do know that under the current proposels, you will not have a choice...you will be mandated to offer coverage to your employees...or be fined...So, guess what...you will have only a couple of choices...none of which are worth a crap...1. raise you prices to cover the increased costs (probable loss of some business), 2. Reduce your work force from 13 to whatever number it takes to reduce your costs enough to cover your remaining employees...3. Keep all your employees, pay for there insurance...and in 6-12 months...close your doors...Thats it!!!

    Candleman- with 13 employees, your probably in the tax bracket that is going to be taxed even more...Sounds like your party is fixing to screw you as well!

    If this is such a great idea...why doesn't the all Dem House, Senate, and Pres just pass it! Hummm...maybe they don't want to have their name on it when it totally destroys our healthcare system.

    Don't get me wrong...I'm all for reduced healthcare costs for everyone(except undocumented immigrants)...I just believe that there is a rush to pass something...that in the long run...will be detrimental to our country!

    Candleman- do you think that before a bill is passed...it should be read?
    Obviously a lot of people with opinions really don't have to deal too closely with this situation or they would understand it better.

    In my case, I would love mandated insurance coverage for my employees. That would level the playing field.

    As it is right now. My costs ARE higher if I have to pay for insurance for my employees and my competetor doesn't supply insurance. With a mandate, we all have the same costs per employee.

    And yes, that would increase prices, but it would be the same increase for all of us. Hence, my prices wouldn't rise more than my competetors.

    Those of us with degrees in business actually understand cost structure and pass through of those costs. That's why this isn't so scary for most of us who are educated. Unfortunately a lot of folks get information from blogs and email and they really aren't backed up with financial experience.

    So, what is your educated answer to this problem. It's very easy to knock an idea down, but it is really difficult to offer an answer to this problem.

    I find if rather funny that you think that I'd have to close my doors in 6-12 months if I offer insurance. That's not the fact at all. When we canceled our insurance coverage, we simply increased our employees pay by an average of 7K a year and we're still open and very profitable.

    Like I said before, folks without knowlege really don't have much of a leg to stand on in this debate.

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