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    Wasteful and Non-Stimulus Spending Provisions

    • $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Dept. of Energy defunded last year because the project was inefficient
    • A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film
    • $650 million for the digital television (DTV) converter box coupon program
    • $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship)
    • $448 million for constructing the Dept. of Homeland Security headquarters
    • $248 million for furniture at the new Dept. of Homeland Security headquarters
    • $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees
    • $400 million for the CDC to screen and prevent STD’s
    • $1.4 billion for a rural waste disposal programs
    • $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities
    • $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion
    • $75 million for “smoking cessation activities”
    • $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges
    • $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI
    • $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction
    • $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas
    • $6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings
    • $500 million for state and local fire stations
    • $650 million for wildland fire management on Forest Service lands
    • $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities
    • $1.2 billion for “youth activities,” including youth summer job programs
    • $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service
    • $412 million for CDC buildings and property
    • $500 million for building and repairing NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD
    • $160 million for “paid volunteers” at the Corporation for National and Community Service
    • $5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the VA “National Cemetery Administration”
    • $850 million for Amtrak
    • $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint
    • $75M to construct a new “security training” facility for State Dept Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.
    • $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems
    • $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.
    • State Medicaid Bailout: $87.7 billion Through 3 different mechanisms, the bill would provide additional federal funds to state Medicaid programs over the next 3 years. This is nearly $70 billion more than the governors asked President Obama for in December, and should be a loan to be repaid by the states.

    Spending money we don't have and can't afford!!!!

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    This Stimulus Bill is a crock of crap!! And to think we have 4 more years of such fun yet to experience!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairnationlover View Post
    This Stimulus Bill is a crock of crap!! And to think we have 4 more years of such fun yet to experience!!!
    I can see that some of these programs will be good, we just can't afford any of this right now.

    Its not the time for pet projects, and with global warming, why would we need an ice breaker lol!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    This thread is being launched so we can collectively gather information on were our taxes are going, in regards to the current stimulus package.

    Is it pork?

    Will it help our economy? If so how long?

    Or will it slow down the economy, and damage it?

    All comments and ideas are welcome, just try and keep it civil.
    It's a joke.
    We have once again been bamboozled by the "suits" in Dc.
    For Obama to tell us that there is "no pork and no earmarks" in this bill is an insult and a flat blatant lie. This thing is nothing more that Congress beating their own system by not having to discuss spending. Where most of these new plans have been shot down for decades. If this was the way to go you wouldn't have had o house Republicans and 11 House Dems voting against. Only 3 Republican Senators voted for it. But now we get to pay dearly for them. And our kids and their kids.

    I think this will guarantee Obama will be a one term dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koop View Post
    It's a joke.
    We have once again been bamboozled by the "suits" in Dc.
    For Obama to tell us that there is "no pork and no earmarks" in this bill is an insultand a flat blatant lie. This thing is nothing more that Congress beating their own system by not having to discuss spending. Where most of these new plans have been shot down for decades. If this was the way to go you wouldn't have had o house Republicans and 11 House Dems voting against. Only 3 Republican Senators voted for it. But now we get to pay dearly for them.

    I think this will guarantee Obama will be a one term dude.
    Well depending on what state you live in you might not have to worry!!!

    For one thing, and I find this funny, this bill is unconstitutional!!!!!
    HCR 6 / is being moved through certain states.
    http://www.pinzler.com/ushistory/kenressupp.html

    A number of states are adopting a form of the Kentucky resolution.
    I have been following this for weeks now, and the media is finally picking it up. Not that it matters, damn socialists!!!

    Basically in simple terms, the states tell the federal government what to do, not the other way around.
    Say you need more fire fighters or cops in your town, the town pays for it, not the feds!! Its a local issue.
    This bill will tax someone in Texas, for a bridge in Boston.

    So by law this succubus package is unconstitutional!!

    A growing number of states are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment at one time or another. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.http://freestateproject.org/node/16098

    Forget about Illinois, trust me, I live here!!

    The funny thing is they are already working on another succubus package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    Well depending on what state you live in you might not have to worry!!!

    For one thing, and I find this funny, this bill is unconstitutional!!!!!
    HCR 6 / is being moved through certain states.
    http://www.pinzler.com/ushistory/kenressupp.html

    A number of states are adopting a form of the Kentucky resolution.
    I have been following this for weeks now, and the media is finally picking it up. Not that it matters, damn socialists!!!

    Basically in simple terms, the states tell the federal government what to do, not the other way around.
    Say you need more fire fighters or cops in your town, the town pays for it, not the feds!! Its a local issue.
    This bill will tax someone in Texas, for a bridge in Boston.

    So by law this succubus package is unconstitutional!!

    A growing number of states are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment at one time or another. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.http://freestateproject.org/node/16098

    Forget about Illinois, trust me, I live here!!

    The funny thing is they are already working on another succubus package.
    dread,

    There is no State that will not take money from DC, IMO. Especially in this vortex the econony is in. I agree with your post but reality is that the gov doesn't function in reality.

    Ya know what I don't get... if stimulus is the goal, how come the average Joe will only get appx. $18 more in their paychecks...why the hell not DO AWAY with taxes for a while and let the peeps use all the money they earn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koop View Post
    dread,

    There is no State that will not take money from DC, IMO. Especially in this vortex the econony is in. I agree with your post but reality is that the gov doesn't function in reality.

    Ya know what I don't get... if stimulus is the goal, how come the average Joe will only get appx. $18 more in their paychecks...why the hell not DO AWAY with taxes for a while and let the peeps use all the money they earn?
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090219/...g_the_stimulus

    They don't want to cut taxes because it is proven to work. You put more money in the hands of the people and they will spend/save more.

    The way I see it, the free markets are actually working. People are saving their money now and spending less. This administration does not see this nor will they acknowledge it either!!

    Cutting capitol gains tax, corporate tax, small business tax, and so on, will create more jobs, and add to the GDP. This succubus package creates temp jobs, and those jobs do not add to the GDP.

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    How to start each day with a positive outlook

    HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK
    >
    > 1. Open a new file in your computer.
    > 2 Name it ' Barack Obama '.
    > 3. Send it to the Recycle Bin .
    > 4. Empty the Recycle Bin.
    > 5. Your PC will ask you: 'Do you really want to get
    > rid of 'Barack Obama?'
    > 6. Firmly Click 'Yes.'
    > 7. Feel better?
    > GOOD! - Tomorrow we'll do Nancy Pelosi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koop View Post
    HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK
    >
    > 1. Open a new file in your computer.
    > 2 Name it ' Barack Obama '.
    > 3. Send it to the Recycle Bin .
    > 4. Empty the Recycle Bin.
    > 5. Your PC will ask you: 'Do you really want to get
    > rid of 'Barack Obama?'
    > 6. Firmly Click 'Yes.'
    > 7. Feel better?
    > GOOD! - Tomorrow we'll do Nancy Pelosi.
    My buddy out west sent me that one 2 weeks ago!!! NICE!!!

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    Damn, I guess the West is more progressive than us in the East as it appears we get our e-jokes late.

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