homer, I thought SIRI had 82 million in the 4th Q of 2007. (Could have swore that was it, but went from memory so I will go with your number.) I believe that FCF number will be over 200 million (pro forma) just going from the prior years of both increasing FCF numbers in their 4th Q. (While XMSR did not do as well as SIRI last year, in their conference call XMSR said that; the cost of the satellite was the main reason, and that that kind of cost will not be there again for a long time and that number will increase greatly going forward.) Now we know that cost for both have been brought down over 2008, not as much as 2007 was and more so for SIRI then XMSR (until the merger). Just going from year over year increases in positive FCF number in the 4th Q is what brings me to my conclusion of at least 200 million.