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I gave a low ball estimate, Irish. If they book profits, they will be able to refi those loans due in 2011/2014 hedge too hopefully. This would allow them to sell shares or exchange debt for equity,...

Make? Zero. Ebita will be destroyed with writedowns and capex. 2010? A good year? 100 million dollars. Wild guess. That would impress the hell out of me. Might be able to get a decent refi if...