Which Obama do you want to believe on health care.

Which Obama Do You Believe?
August 3, 2009



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"RUSH: Start at number six, Mister Broadcast Engineer. This morning in Virginia, at George Mason University, President Obama speaking about the implementation of the new GI bill. Here's a portion of what he said.

OBAMA (sped up): We've lived through an age when many people and institutions acted irresponsibly, when service often took a backseat, when hard choices were put aside for some other time. The men and women who have served since 9/11 tell us a different story. While so many were reaching for the quick buck, they were heading out on patrol.

RUSH: Barack Obama, once again, criticizing his own country. America has been irresponsible! We've lived through the age when many people in the institutions acted irresponsibly. They went for profit! He's getting 'em now. He's getting even with them now. Let's go back in time to March of 2007 at the Service Employees International Union health care forum, President Obama.

OBAMA MARCH 2007 (normal speed): My commitment is to make sure that we've got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president. I would hope that we can set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort, but I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.

RUSH: Now, this is 2007. He's just explained how his plan will eliminate private insurance through your employer and that that's his objective. He's out lying about this when he says, "If you like your coverage now, you'll be able to keep it. No problem! We just think there should be another entity competing so that that insurance company won't rip you off." Well, there won't be any competition because the government doesn't have to make a profit in their insurance program. Universal health care. "My commitment is make sure we've got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term." That's why the hurry. Let's go back to 2003. This is an AFL-CIO conference while Obama campaigns for the Senate.

OBAMA 2003 (normal speed): I happen to be a proponent of single-payer, universal health care plan. (applause) Single-payer health care plan, universal health care plan. That's what I'd like to see.

RUSH: Running for the Senate in 2003: single payer universal health care coverage. Well, now, he's president of the United States, and he has a piece of legislation in the House of Representatives that will guarantee him just that, and they're working on one in the Senate. But let's come back. Let's go to June 15th of this year. As president, Obama went to the AMA (the American Medical Association) and lied to them. He told us what his plan is in 2007, 2003. You just heard it. Universal, single-payer health care. Get rid of employer insurance. It may take 15 years to do it but I want to get it done. This is what he told the AMA back in June.

OBAMA (normal speed): The public option is not your enemy; it is your friend, I believe. L-l-let me -- Let me also, uh, address a illegitimate concern that's being put forward by those who are claiming that a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system.

RUSH: It most certainly is a Trojan horse for the single-payer system. Now, here's your question. This is your dilemma. Do you want to believe Obama? In which case you're sunk, you're screwed. Which Obama do you believe? Do you believe the two Obamas from 2003, 2007, where he talks to his supporters, his voters, union people: can't wait for a single-payer system -- he wants to get rid of employer health plans, universal coverage -- or do you want to believe Obama as president in trouble back at the AMA saying, "No, no, no! The public option is not a Trojan horse." Which Obama do you want to believe? 'Cause if you believe Obama, you're sunk. How do you choose which Obama to believe?"


This was taken from the Rush Limbaugh site.

For those that are wondering it was tape and video of Obama. Those were Obamas own words spoken out of his own lips. There was no paraphrasing done.

They spliced different comments to make it look like he said something he did not. It was not one speech or conversation.The oldest trick in the book. i work in the film industry. You can edit something to make it be anything you want. I could even edit you so you sound halfway reasonable. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0XCl6OHgiM

A response to John and Rush (john's favorite source for accurate news next to Fox. :D)

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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0XCl6OHgiM

A response to John and Rush (john's favorite source for accurate news next to Fox. :D)

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http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-vi...ate-insurance/

Dread you promised never to come back. Damn you lied.:D

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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0XCl6OHgiM

A response to John and Rush (john's favorite source for accurate news next to Fox. :D)

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You are so gulible it is amazing. It amazes me that people like you even make it past the age of 20.


First the title of the thread already covers the point that what he is saying now and what he said before are to different things The Rush piece explains the point of that, you twit.


Second, I will ask a common sense question you should be asking yourself about your video. In that whole video she had amble time to say it was taken out of context and spliced together and even HAD TIME to show another video of him talking about it later. So the question you should be asking is why didn't she just put up the whole thing of the vedio she says was spliced together and taken out of context. You want the simple answer, because there was no good way to put what Obama said before in a better light, because if there was they would have done it.


Finally you twit, Obama was asked in a town hall about the part of the congressional health care bill that states if you leave your employer or you switch insurance companies for any reason then you will be FORCED into the government plan. Obama answer was, that he was unaware of that part of the bill.

Yes that information also came from Rush who played the tape of it.


Your dumbass better wake up before you kill someone.

John what are you so afraid of? Are you seriously afraid that we might have health care a little bit like most European countries and Canada? Whooooooooo! So scary.

By the way, i support single payer health care and am disappointed that the Obama administration will not fight for it.
But i understand that they feel its not a system that would work here in the US given our present health care system. And so what they are proposing is a combination of a public and private health care system. Its a middle ground and the attempt by people like you to try to use the word Socialism as some kind of all encompassing bogeyman is both tragic and pathetic. Sorry you have so much anger on most subjects in general.

How about this. I will bet you that the health care legislation that passes will incude both public and private options and wont be single payer. i will bet you further that in 10 years
the plan will still be exactly that and not what you tea baggers are suggesting. Ready to bet:D

I find it interesting that your side has decided that the best way to argue this subject is to try to drown out other people who want to ask questions and understand what the plan might be.

I will further bet you that when the health care legislation passes it will not require everyone to give up their
present doctors and will allow them to keep their present plan.

Want to bet chicken? LOL.

You want to change the bet huh? LOL.

I will further bet that when a future study is done on health care that Fox news viewers will have the most distorted and untruthful view of the plan.

Come on chicken want to bet on that one as well? You know i got you dead in the water and that's why your thrashing around so much and calling out dumbshit, dumbshit, dumbshit. Projecting a little.:D Over and out.

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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker

John what are you so afraid of? Are you seriously afraid that we might have health care a little bit like most European countries and Canada? Whooooooooo! So scary.

By the way, i support single payer health care and am disappointed that the Obama administration will not fight for it.
But i understand that they feel its not a system that would work here in the US given our present health care system. And so what they are proposing is a combination of a public and private health care system. Its a middle ground and the attempt by people like you to try to use the word Socialism as some kind of all encompassing bogeyman is both tragic and pathetic. Sorry you have so much anger on most subjects in general.

How about this. I will bet you that the health care legislation that passes will incude both public and private options and wont be single payer. i will bet you further that in 10 years
the plan will still be exactly that and not what you tea baggers are suggesting. Ready to bet:D

I find it interesting that your side has decided that the best way to argue this subject is to try to drown out other people who want to ask questions and understand what the plan might be.

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Your dam right have you even seen the latest studies on the subject. Cancer deaths in Europe are 4 times higher then in America ande in Canada they are 3 times higher. Europe has 20 per million MRI machines compared to 87 per million in America, in Canada the number is 37 per million. Most of the medical discoveries come from America. There is a reason why 78% of Europeans say there needs to be a total overhaul of there health care system, compared to 42% in America that think something needs to be done. There is a reason that 76% of Americans are gernerally happy with their health insuranse.



You would support a single payer heath plan. That is exactly why I said you better wake up before you kill someone.



You are a twit, the Congressional bill already is trying to get a single payer plan from the start that was the whole reason for putting up the last part of my last comment you twit.



You are a mindless atomaton, it is you mindless twits that get me so pissed. Your type are just the ones that get others killed. Just keep believing in the Obama administration propaganda. The polls dont lie, you idiot.


Obama does not even understand what the bill is. That was clear when he was asked about the provision that said if you switch or are cut from your old insurance then you will be forced into the government plan. What kind of choice is that you asshole. Is this America or god dam Old USSR.

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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker

I will further bet you that when the health care legislation passes it will not require everyone to give up their
present doctors and will allow them to keep their present plan.

Want to bet chicken? LOL.

You want to change the bet huh? LOL.

I will further bet that when a future study is done on health care that Fox news viewers will have the most distorted and untruthful view of the plan.

Come on chicken want to bet on that one as well? You know i got you dead in the water and that's why your thrashing around so much and calling out dumbshit, dumbshit, dumbshit. Projecting a little.:D Over and out.

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First of all anyone looking at the post above can see you are a wackjob. Yea a bet 10 years from now that makes alot of sense and to top it off with no money mentioned. Yea I would be a chicken, you got to be the stupidest motherfocker I have ever seen write here.

Second as for FOX viewers it has been proven they are the most informed on the bill. Nowhere else did you here about Obama not even knowing about the congressional bill that forces a person into the government plan if you switch for any reason. Did you know about that part of the bill you dumbshit. the answer is no right. You might have if you watched FOX though.


Finally any common sense person reading these threads where I posted knows that if you think me making you look stupid, makes me look like I am dead in the water then yes I guess I am, right.


Hey dumbass you going to denie that the congressional bill that was up. did not have that provision about having to be forced into the government plan, in it. DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT BEFORE DREAD AND I TOLD YOU ABOUT IT. No you didn't, so who is the dumbass here.

Wow John you sound a little unhinged. i wiil bet you any amount of Sirius stock(at todays price) that the US will not have a single payer health system in 10 years after the Obama administrations health plan is passed this year.
We can devise a way to put our money in escrow so the bet wil be legitimate. We do agree on what single payer system is right? It would be one without private health insurance companies right? Dont get wacky on me?
The bill that will be passed is not a single payer system. As i said before i support one like the VA has. So i should know because its not what i want.
If you asked Ben Nelson and other moderates in the Democratic party you would find out that they oppose almost any public option and could satisfy you that it wont be a single payer system . You dont have to take my word for it.

I can throw a lot of polls and statistics around too that show the opposite of what you said but I have already learned that does no good. Even when i show you studies of the high level of misperception of Fox viewers you refuse to acknowledge that fact. Whats a guy to do?
As you probably know since you watch and listen to Fox :D the Obama administrations strategy has been to let the Congress craft the bill and therefore no one will know everything that is in the bill until its in its final
form. Its still being designed then on most major points there is widespread agreement.

Once again you refused to accept the bets that i proposed. Whats a guy to do? :)

Lloyd

maybe we should have gone to this new,fantastic healthcare system that you and your fanatical far left liberals want so bad...if we had, Ted kennedy wouln't be here today, Eunice Kennedy Shriver...would be dead in less than a week...and my mother as well as yours will be standing in line waiting months for healthcare(if they haven't already passed) due the YOUR plan!

Answer one question- If this plan is so good for the people...why won't the members of Congress put themselves and their familes on it! It's going to be that good isn't it!

10-1 you can't answer the question!

latest Rasmussen poll

Lloyd- spin this for us!



Confidence in U.S. Health Care System Has Grown in Recent Months
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Forty-eight percent (48%) of U.S. voters now rate the U.S. health care system as good or excellent. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just 19% rate it as poor.

These figures reflect a significant increase in support for the health care system over the past few months. In May, just 35% of adults nationwide rated the system as good or excellent. A year ago, just 29% of Likely Voters rated the system in such positive terms.

The new polling also shows that 80% of those with insurance rate their own coverage as good or excellent. That’s up from 70% in May.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.

There is a huge partisan gap on perceptions of the U.S. health care system. Seven-out-of-10 Republicans rate it as good or excellent, but only one-of-four Democrats agree. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 53% rate the current system as good or excellent while just 18% say it’s poor.

Over the past few months, as the health care reform debate has raged, confidence in the current system has increased significantly among Republicans and unaffiliated voters. There has been little change among Democrats.

Just 28% say they are willing to pay higher taxes so that all Americans can have health insurance. Sixty percent (60%) are opposed. Those figures are little changed since May.

Recent polling has shown that cost, not universal coverage, is the top concern about health care.

Seventy-four percent (74%) of voters rate the quality of care they receive as good or excellent. In May, just 62% of adults said the same.

Just seven percent (7%) now rate the quality of care they receive as poor. That’s little changed since May.

Polling last week showed that 47% of voters favor the health care reform plan working its way through Congress while 49% are opposed. However, those who oppose it show more intensity: Just 25% Strongly Favor the legislation while 41% are Strongly Opposed.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) say it’s likely the passage of health care reform will lead to higher taxes for the middle class

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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker

Wow John you sound a little unhinged. i wiil bet you any amount of Sirius stock(at todays price) that the US will not have a single payer health system in 10 years after the Obama administrations health plan is passed this year.
We can devise a way to put our money in escrow so the bet wil be legitimate. We do agree on what single payer system is right? It would be one without private health insurance companies right? Dont get wacky on me?
The bill that will be passed is not a single payer system. As i said before i support one like the VA has. So i should know because its not what i want.
If you asked Ben Nelson and other moderates in the Democratic party you would find out that they oppose almost any public option and could satisfy you that it wont be a single payer system . You dont have to take my word for it.

I can throw a lot of polls and statistics around too that show the opposite of what you said but I have already learned that does no good. Even when i show you studies of the high level of misperception of Fox viewers you refuse to acknowledge that fact. Whats a guy to do?
As you probably know since you watch and listen to Fox :D the Obama administrations strategy has been to let the Congress craft the bill and therefore no one will know everything that is in the bill until its in its final
form. Its still being designed then on most major points there is widespread agreement.

Once again you refused to accept the bets that i proposed. Whats a guy to do? :)

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First of all as I said before you try to make the dumbest bets I have ever seen, not surprising after seeing who they are coming from. Next as I have also said It was Obama himself that had said that is exactly what he wants and to back it up the democrat house put just the proposal that would do that in the bill they are writting.


As for any polls on FOX I have already proved your polls to be false and I am still waiting for the answers to the questions on that matter. Here they are again.


1) Are chemical weapons considered weapons of mass destruction?


2) Where there artillary shells with chemical warheads found in Iraq?


3) What is the use for "Yellow Cake"?


4) Was there tons and tons of "Yellow Cake" also in Iraq?



The true answers to those questions will tell anyone wheather the poll (you gave as an example) was correct or not. Questions 2, and 4 only require a simple YES or NO as answers.

OK, I was waiting for lloyd the dipshit to take the bait but he wont bit. So I will give the link. This will prove that there were weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2006...eds-wmds-iraq/


Now weather they were what the Bush administration was talking about or not does not matter to any poll that has a question like; "Was there weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq". After reading the link the simple answer is; YES there was. Once again I proved that the poll lloyd put up was false and could not be trusted.


Chaulk another one up to common sense and logic.

Since you refuse any polls i provide to back up my beliefs can you provide me with one reputable (no not sean hannity.lol) that demostrates that fox viewers score high numbers around truthful knowlwdge of the issues?

your playing mighty cute with the weapons question Really silly
Once again for the masses.
"The biggest disappointment of my administration was not finding any weapons of mass destruction"

That was a quote from George Bush the guy who MOST wanted to find them you can play all the silly games you want and call other people"dumbshits"
but i think most reasonable know what that question meant.

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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker

Since you refuse any polls i provide to back up my beliefs can you provide me with one reputable (no not sean hannity.lol) that demostrates that fox viewers score high numbers around truthful knowlwdge of the issues?

your playing mighty cute with the weapons question Really silly
Once again for the masses.
"The biggest disappointment of my administration was not finding any weapons of mass destruction"

That was a quote from George Bush the guy who MOST wanted to find them you can play all the silly games you want and call other people"dumbshits"
but i think most reasonable know what that question meant.

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I already told you the qintapeac poll already showed that FOX was the most fare with its coverage of the election.


For the first time for those that do not watch FOX here is the official administration response. I took this directly from the same article I linked to.


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Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

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I would like to remind people of lloyd Handwerker poll inwhich he and the poll itself said that FOX viewers were the least knowledgable because they said that they believed that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Well now you all know that there were. You also now know why the Bush administration says what it says when it comes to this issue. Once again the poll question and what the Bush administration says are two different issues on the same subject.

Then again only a twit like lloyd Handwerker would not be able to see that or he is purposely trying to mislead people.

I will keep this at the top until it is clear to everyone what a dumbshit lloyd Handwerker is. I am almost sure that lloyd Handwerker saw the same information from the constant side stepping he tried to do but was unwilling to give the true information because of his bias. Instead of just saying; "I was wrong along with the poll I gave", he tried to keep misleading people. That is not someone I would take seriously.