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I just couldnt resist one more knockout punch.
Rest in peace Mr. Ignorant Putz. :)
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http://www.hybridcarblog.com/2009/03...eup-in-10.html
I just couldnt resist one more knockout punch.
Rest in peace Mr. Ignorant Putz. :)
Lloyd
Not sure who you are directing your comments too...IHO...if Ford is moving in the direction of producing more EV's, hybrids due to increased demand...and if they can make them affordable and profitable...great...shows capalistic free market is working as it should...If however, EV's, hybrids etc are being crammed down our throat for the sake of your administrations agenda...then we are all screwed...and you are far too onesided in your views!!! Don't get me wrong...I'm looking to buy a hybrid myself...due to traveling 100-200 miles per day in car! Once conversion to energy efficient vehicles...guess what...govt will loose Billions in revenue due to decreaed gas taxes...will have to screw us some more by raising other taxes...like a tax for the number of miles that you drive!!! Total BS!
You mean you havent been following my long running feud with John? :DQuote:
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Pretty dull i would admit. I would certainly apply the "too-onesided" comment to John and not myself, but then i know that my predictions (not from any place of great intelligence but from common sense) about the auto industry going back 10 years have been proven correct and that John doesnt accept that i might know where we are headed in the next 10. if you listened to him you would definitely not shop for a hybrid.
Its an imperfect world so if you are going to tax people i think those with
higher incomes should pay more and those who drive more should as well.
If you have another solution i would love to hear it. in my humble opinion this country desperately needs to move much more in the direction of the Spanish model. In less than 20 years Spain has built an entire new infrastructure with high speed (up to 300mph) trains, light rail etc. An effective mass transit system and electric cars will go a long way toward solving a great many of our transportation issues and help clean the air as well I dont see any evidence that anything is being shoved down the throats of the car companies (well maybe somewhat with GM since they are bankrupt and the Govt is giving them so much of our money and wants to see a return) I think a company like Ford sees where the publics appetite for cars is going. Toyota and Honda got on the train early and will reap the rewards.Now others are following in their footsteps because they see there is a profit to be made.
Lloyd
Why should people who work hard to get somewhere in life be forced to pay higher taxes than those who "chose" not to even attempt to get an education. I'm in my second career. Paid off 1st student loan...working on paying off second student loan...why try to improve financial situation when just mean i have to pay more taxes...I'm already paying 28%...why not just level the playing field and make everyone pay a flat % of income...close the loop holes and everyone pays the same %. 15% of 200K is 30K...15% of 20k is 3K...whats wrong with that!!! State of Oregon...people have "chosen" to live a life style of Eco-friendly! Good for them...They, I believe percapata own the highest % of hybrids...did exactly what elected officials asked...now gas tax has declined close to 25-30%...so now want to tax miles driven...just plain wrong...on all levels. There state gov't must learn to get by on less since that is what they mandated...they got exactly what they asked for!
While were at it...I do not believe in global warming...or climate change(new term since they cannot prove global warming)...but I'm all for new cleaner technology...Correct me if I'm wrong on any of these issues...1. hybrid technology...Toyota/Honda have had hybrids for 9-10 years now...2. Wind energy...been around in California I think close to 15-20 years...Texas has 2-3 huge wind farms...T Boone wanted to add thousands more...3. Nuclear Energy...been around for 30+ years...expensive initially, cheap for years after and clean...4. Solar...been around 10-15 years...technology getting better year to year...All have been done without much help from or mandates by the government! Free markets have been way ahead of the government in all of these fronts and will stay that way...TAX and KILL(cap and trade) 100% not necessary. I live in San Antonio...largest purchaser of wind energy in the country(maybe 2nd), Huge Solar panel tarps covering our dump(enough energy to power 5000 homes a year)...own 28% of STNP(nuclear plant) trying to build 2 more reactors...Just finished building 1 or 2 CLEAN-COAL power plants...We pay .09 cents per KWH...cheapest in country...All without 1 mandate from our goverment. This is how the free market works...works beautiful when left alone! Oil at $100 per barrel...will only increase green spending by corporations...Not necessary to CRAM IT DOWN OUR THROATS!
Great idea...reduce tax deduction for charitable contributions...who gives the most...the hard working...who gets hurt...not the hard working...the poor who recieve the benefits from the hard working...Doesn't makes any sense.
lets raise the tax on hard working making over 250k! I'm a small business...tax my health benefits and others who work for me. who gets hurt...the guy I have to lay off because cannot afford to pay him anymore.
The big O states he wants to create jobs...has a funny way of going about it...Kill the number 1 job producer in the country...Small Business
That was a good read!
+1 free markets
Damn Charles
We finally agreed on something!
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Wow. You threw a lot at me all in one post. Really too tired to argue the 2008 election all over again. I will say that i thought we all learned one thing from this recent banking scandal and that is that free markets arent always the best way to go.WIth the right controls in place maybe but the entire worlds financial system collapsed and i am of the belief we need to rebalance and move away from unfettered free markets. That balance of course is always tricky. Spain has used a partnership of business and govt to rebuild their infrastructure. Though i dont know enough to speak authoritatively about it, ( i was there recently working on a documentary about their high speed trains) from everything i have been told its an extremely successful and profitable business partnership. Maybe we both need to study up on Spain and possible learn to think outside the boxes of our preconceived notions of how Govt and private business should interact.
As far as tax policy lets just agree to disagree. I dont have a problem paying more if i make more (and i do make more than most) Its just a difference of philosophy.
All the alternative energy industries have been around for years but have had to compete against well entrenched and well subsidized oil, gas, nuclear, and coal industries. Only recently have large investments started to flow their way because of the change of Govt and because private capital recognizes that we are on the cutting edge of major changes in energy technology. it takes govt and industry working together to turn such a large
economy as ours around. i never understand why Conservatives protest when alternative energy tax credits are proposed but never objected to the
huge subsidies that other energy companies got.
Anyway time to turn in. Goodnight.
As much as we disagree about things at least we can talk like civilized human beings. With John its ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.
He is just an IGNORANT PUTZ.:D
And i say that with affection. Well sort of with affection. Actually there is no
affection whatsoever that i feel for that guy. ;) Goodnight.
LloydQuote:
Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
If you make more, and you don't mind paying more...why don't you pay more...It is a known fact...Liberals are very good at giving away someone else's money.
You know as well as I do...our gov't is not capable of wiping there own ass...how can you expect them to become partners with the private sector.
Damn Lloyd...Obamas car czar is a punk that has not even run a lemonade stand...and he is making decisions on how to run a multi-billion industry!
Got to call BS on the change in Govt philosophy toward alternative energy. Private capital did realize that we are on the cutting edge of energy technology...why...not the gov't...because the private sector in the US has always funded the bulk of technologic change in this country...for that matter...we develop almost everything in this country...then it moves to other countries...and it is funded by the private sector(free markets).
Banking fiasco...imho is not a free market meltdown...it is criminal intent...with criminal intent...anything is possible. Can't blame it on 1 party or the other...criminals are criminals! Many people blamed Bush and his cronies for lax regulation on Wall street etc...SEC, justice dept, IRS has the regulations...they just choose not to exercise them. Bush is gone...been gone for 6 months now...SEC hasn't done shit...justice dept hasn't done shit...Can i now blame Obama for the lax BS under his watch...I didn't think so...i remember now...his shit doen't stink!
Not opposed to tax credits at all. Oil etc has received them for years...I am opposed to TAX and KILL...Obama states $175(pipe dream) per year per family cost increase...Conservative group estimates upto 2K per family(not gonna to happen) Probably somewhere in the middle...you can afford it...I can afford...waht about all your voters under the poverty line...they cannot afford it...so guess what...we'll just give more handouts to cover it! What a system!
I frimly belive that moderate conservatives and liberals can co-exist and move this county forward...CRAMMING EVERY FAR LEFT IDEA down our throats is too much to swallow! JMHO
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Well obviously we disagree on a lot of things! If you read the far left blogs
they are not very happy with Obama's compromises on Health Car and Energy so to argue that his his policies are "FAR LEFT" is just plain wrong.
To say its all "CRAMMING" is also completely off base. I quess you think
its cramming when its Democratic legislation and its the normal politcal
legislative process when its Republican? There was an election held in
2008 and Obama won, and the Democrats got 60 Senators and a large majority in the House. The polls show a large majority of the electorate
support Health Care with some kind of public component included and
also support a new energy policy. Sure polls can be twisted in many directions by the questions asked but all that we know at this point suggests
Obama's policies prescriptions enjoy good support.
Govt AND private enterprise are not capable of wiping their own asses at
various times. Businesses are clamoring for health care legislation because
the system is bankrupting them. The Auto industry is just one example.
Obviously we believe in different philosophies. Conservative Republicans WERE JUST AS GOOD (if not better) at giving away our money. Look at the Bush administration which had a Republican majority in the House and Senate for 6 years. We went from a balanced budget under Clinton to record deficits under Bush. You cant just spout talking points when you mention these things Sirius. You got to be a little more "ONESIDED":D
That should have read you got to be a little LESS "ONESIDED".:D
Funny either way.
Lloyd
got to give credit when credit is due! You are damn good at twisting the facts...yes Republicans had majority control of house and senate...however...you conviently left off the part that they didnot have complete control of either the house or senate. Every bill passed by Bush...absolutely had to have Dem support...every single one! Obama has pledged...no guarenteed...that our deficit will be multiple times higher in the first year than all of Bush's combined! With your complete control of all three branches of govt...you will not need a single Republican vote to pass your agenda...thus...CRAM IT DOWN OUR THROAT!
Have you checked the polls lately. Four different polls showed that 60%+ of american people do not want...I repeat...do not want govt involved with healthcare...period...Energy...people have spoken there as well...70%+ wanted to "Drill...Baby...Drill" Obama caved during the election(lied) during the election...absolutely...has no intention of allowing anymore drilling...period
The Auto industry is BK due to putting out inferior products for years...giving away the farm...being bullied by UAW bosses. 90% pay when layed off...sign me up...I'll sit home for 90%...hell...I won't even answer my phone when you call me back to work...Legacy costs, greed, stupidity killed the auto industry.
I have a simple solution...move all production to right to work states like Texas...pay them a fair wage...produce superior/equalivalent product...fire them when they FU...I guarantee you that they will be profitable...no doubt about it!
BTW- you conviently did not respond to financial meltdown...alternative energy building strong base for 30+ years without much govt assistance...or tax and kill...
I believe you are incorrect about what happened during the first 6 years of the Bush administration. I believe George Bush NEVER vetoed even one bill.
That means Bush and the Republican majority wanted everything that was\
passed.
When Democrats took over control of the house Bush first used his veto power. I believe that Bush's veto was overturned only once or twice during his entire administration Am i notcorrect?
Even some Conservative Republicans have owned up to the fact that they let the defecit run wild out of control. I dont know why YOU wouldnt accept their mea culpa.
The stimulus bill was passed with 3 Republican Senators support (snow,
collins and Specter) it wouldnt have passed without them. It depends
on whether or not fillibuster power or 60 votes is needed or a simple majority or 60
It was the same when Republicans under Bush had majority control of both
Houses of Congress. I am confused by what you are trying to say.
Many economists would argue that when you have a very serious recession and are close to a Depression that it is essential to spend money.
If not they would argue the economy would completely collapse. Even Warren Buffett supports a second stimulus package. You obviously disagree.
I quess we have read different polls. I will have to do some research when
I have some time because i read some polls that showed a large majority supported some public health component. I quess we will have to produce
our polls.
isnt there lots of land that the Oil companies can drill on right now?
I read they arent drilling on much of it because it isnt profitable at the moment. i personally want us to be less reliant on oil. Not interested in
keeping us dependent on Mideast oil or even domestic oil. I think its absolutely essential that we move toward alternaive energy system for lots of reasons. Obviously you disagree.
I did respond to 30 years alternative energy base. You need to read 2 posts
ago. Just to repeat. Alternative energy has been up against well entrenched and well subsidized oil, gas, coal an Nuclear. The alternative energy business practically died after having a strong push in the 70's and
early 80's. It has come back out of necessity but also becaise pf strong Govt support. i dont think you can have one without the other. When they
work hand in hand they work well. Lot of countries around the world are
passing us by in terms of infrastructure spending (high speed trains etc)
and alternative energy production. if you think that isnt a serious matter i believe you are mistaken. Not quite sure why you seem to "hate"anything that involves Govt. I think you probably rely on it more than you realize.
I'm sorry but i just disagree about your analysis of the financial meltdown.
Criminal intent was allowed to develop and flourish because there was lax regulation and hardly any oversight. It was partly a philosophical choice to
keep the reins loose and i believe that helped to create the disaster. An unfettered free market will tempt certain types to go over the line.We see it all the time in China with product and food safety. A certain amount of regulation is important.The pendulum swings back and forth and all we can do is to try to find the right balance.
The American Auto industry certainly did make inferior products for many years. The leadership of the auto industry and the unions bear responsibility. Cant blame it all on the workers. Sounds a little like you want to blame it only on unions and workers.
1. you are correct...everything Republicans wanted passed. could not have passed without dem support...could not have passed...Republications never had complete control of both house and senate.
2. You are correct...Republicans did go on spending spree...with major help from the dems. No doubt about...However...somehow...you have me mistakenly labeled a republican. I am a moderate conservative! So...since the Republicans spent waaaay too much cash...its OK for Obama and the dem house/senate to spend 3-4 times as much!
3. The three senators that voted for the stimulus bill...spector...now dem...other 2 Republican in name only!
4. It is impossible to spend your way out of a recession! Has never been done...Ask Japan how well 7 stimulus plans have worked for them!
5. Agreed polls are different...agree to disagree!
6. Agreed...want us to move away from dependence on oil...However...that is 50years in the future...why are we paying for the King of Saudi Arabia to maintain his fortunes. Could be putting hundreds of thousands of americans to work drilling here...increases jobs...decreases dependence on others...as long as we are dependent on foreign oil...progress will be slowed down. We have the ability to produce oil here in 180 days...get our economy moving forward while at the same time putting the screws to the Middle East. BTW line of BS about "dont they already have land that they can drill in"...there technology shows them where most oil is likely to be found. I guess it is OK for Obama to publically lie to the people...
7. Alternative energy has been growing by leaps and bounds since the 90's...I read what you posted...you obviously did not read mine...Toyota/Honda developed hybrid technology without significant govt assistance...wind energy...again developed without significant govt assistance...instead of spending billions on wifi...why not spend money on infrastructure for transmission lines so wind energy can get into the grid...solar...technology 10 times better than just 10 years ago...all of these are great technoolgic advances...all made without significant govt involvment. Leave the markets alone...they are producing great products without govt intervention. Not needed. Bullet trains...love the idea...but probably too late in this country...what are you going to do...use imminent domain to take away private citizens property...
8. 2 words...medicare/social security
9. There is regulations in place...just ignored...still to this day...ignored I dont see Obamas SEC chairwoman doing anything about all the bs in the market...Without the pressure of Senator kaufman(D) nothing would be happening...Kaufaman is Bidens replacement...why the hell didn't biden speak up like his replacement has. Kaufamn is one Dem that I could possible support...just dont know the rest of his background
Since you state market collapse is all Republicans fault...how about Frank/Dodd fiasco...Clinton...Obama are just as guilty...the Repuplicans had nothing to do with changing lending requirements...ya some of them may had voted for it...but as you said...Clinton did not veto it...so its all on him!
10. again re-read my post...never put 1 ounce of blame on workers...Union bosses(greed) GM management(stupidity) legacy costs destroyed US Auto. Since you brought up unions...if they would only practice whats good for the company as a whole( equal to the sum of its parts) unions would not have such a bad rap...A company should have the right to fire any employee performing at a substandard level, or puts his fellow workers in danger etc...Union will 100% back the employee...even when he/she is dead wrong. Another example...My wife works for the public utility in San Antonio...Due to unstable economy...no merit raises for all non-union employees...however, all union workers get automatic 2.75% raise...whether they suck or not...if they suck...cannot be fired!
We agree on quite a few things...I would just like to know how the low income family trying to raise a family will be able to pay for all of the checks that Obamas ass cant cash!
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I wrote a long response to all your points and then forgot to submit reply.
i think its gone. Oh well. have to do it again another time. Too busy today
to deal with it. Have a good day.