Read this and tell me if you like what you read about healthcare for all.
http://www.creators.com/conservative/dick-morris.html
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Read this and tell me if you like what you read about healthcare for all.
http://www.creators.com/conservative/dick-morris.html
John,
We Americans have come to expect this kind of dribble from our Republican Party. It is a shame that such a great old party has been taken over by the wackiest people in the conservative movement.
This article was full of non truths. An example would be that the AARP is completely supportive of health care reform. The AARP is the countries largest group of us elderly people.
It's almost shameful....no, it is shameful that such a great party as our Republican party has been swindled by these writers who make a living off of spreading mis information and non truths.
candleman, First of all are you going to say that you are a republican. Before you answer that remember that I can pull up every one of your post. I think any republican will be able to come to a conclusion from what you have said that you are not. You may have been (like Sen. Snow from Main or Arlen Spector) at one time, but from what you have said before on here that you are not anymore.
Next as for dribble you need to goto Lloyds post for that. As for a party that has been taken over by the wakiest people I think you need to take a look at what your democrat party has been saying. Really, "our soldiers are cold blooded murders" (Mertha (D)). Really, "our soldiers are acting like terrorist raiding iraqy families in the middle of the night" (Kerry (D)). Really, "our military prisons are like the Soviet gulags" (Derbin (D)). Really, telling school children "Bush is a lier and a loser" (Ried (D), Really, "those people are acting like mops and nazies", (Polosie (D).
Now do you know who Dick Morris is, He worked for Clinton. "The president consulted Morris in secret beginning in 1994.[2] Clinton's communications director George Stephanopoulos has said that "Over the course of the first nine months of 1995, no single person had more power over the president".
Now I love this, you think because the AARP is supportive of Obamas healthcare that is enough for you to dismis what the **congressional budget office** says. First I will say this the AARP has always been supportive of democrats and has given way more (multiples) to democrats then republicans. Then we have a problem of them being involved financially because they offer their own form of insurance and will be at the table to be able to have access to at least 30 million more people. Have you seen videos of the meetings at AARP, of AARP reps getting mad at the people that ask the questions and because the answers to the questions did not make sense and the people knew that, the rep left. As they said who works for who here. You say the AARP supports Obamas plan and they represent the old folks right, so why is it that every poll out has the old saying they dont support the Obamacare by bigger numbers then the rest of the public and you do know the last poll (rasmussen) has 56% of the people that dont support it. Several other polls have shown that people 60 and older dont support it by almost 70%. So you tell me is the AARP representing the old folks here.
Now that we have that total AARP bullshit out of the way, what non truths are in the article. The information comes from the Bucuas bill and the congressional budget office.
So please point to the non truths in the Dick Morris article. Now be careful because I will go directly to the Bucas bill and the report of the congressional budget office, and make you look so stupid noone will believe a thing you say again. I will repost this every chance I get to show what a bias twit you are.
I will be waiting for a response. If nothing comes I will take that to mean you did not do the research you should have done on the article before you opened your mouth.
candleman, dont fall into the same trap Lloyd does do research on things you comment on. I do, I look at articles and see what they say, then I goto any links and if they have none to support their story, then I will look for it myself.
Hi John,
Yep, I vote more often for Democrats than Republicans. Yep, I didn't like George Bush as our President.
But John, please stop with the name calling. I'm not a mindless twit. I served my country for 2 tours in Viet Nam. I was an idiot. I thought and I believed that Richard Nixon was a good leader at that time. He wasn't. I killed people for no reason at all. All in the name of America. What a shame I carry for the rest of forever because of that. That's why I am not a Republican. But, I still consider the Republican Party to be a part of Our America. And I'll take ownership of that. Yes, I was an idiot and even a mindless twit when I was younger. But, I'm not now and I don't appreciate you calling me that.
If you want to have converstations about politics, please stop with the name calling.
I have been elected to public office 4 times in my life. I've been out of office for 8 years now. I think that politics has become meaner and nastier than ever. And folks like you are partly to blame for this. So, please enough with the name calling. Please John, become a little more civil when you disagree with me.
Thanks,
Chuck
Then Chuck dont say something is a lie that is not. The reason I get pissed at people like you is that you are the reason we have a radical like Obama as President. You closed your mind off and did not see all the relationships with radicals he had or denied he had them. Then when the proof was so evident. You say that relationships like the ones with Rev. Right and Bill Aiers (one of the founders of a terrorist organization "the Weather Underground") mean nothing. Then when we find out that he blantantly lied about what he heard in Wrights church you say it doesn't matter. So when things like Van Jones happen or ACORN or Apollo Group (Sen. Ried gave them credit for writting the stimulas bill) guess who is on the board of the Apollo Group, Jeff Jones. Guess what he did,????? thats right he was Bill Aiers partner in founding the "The Weather Underground". Now do you see why his relationships he had matter. I guess you would try and call all that a quintessense. The problem is, there is still much much more, the relationships can all be proven and they are like a web of radicals.
It is like Atipitcal and his total surprise with ACORN, did you see the blantant lies he tried to cover up about ACORN with. People like him just dont get it because they have blindlesslly took in what MSNBC said and did not question a word. I mean my god it is like he never heard about the voter fraud inwhich they have had several convictions in, in several states. It is like he never seen any of the videos of several of the ACORN offices.
Finally, I will say this the Baucas bill has JUST (saw the news last night) changed in commitee and the amount uninsured will pay as a penalty is now been reduced to 1900 max per year if you dont have insurance. The thing is as Dick Morris said in the artical what will happen now is the bill will not be deficit neutral or they will have to cut Medicare even more. Still even 1900 if you did not want insurance is a big hit to the middle class and lets remember you still get nothing for that 1900 it is still just a penalty that was not there before.
P.S. I will never stop calling people names that want to put up dumbass bullshit. That is the penalty I impose on people that want to lie (if you are going to impose your lies on me then I will impose my name calling on you). All I am saying is just dont lie that should be simple enough right. I did not call you a name, what I said was that if you try to put up blatant crap I will call you on it and I will call you what you are, if you cant do simple research into what you say. Chuck I do my best to make sure everything I put up is the truth. I back it up with research, commonsense and logic, I do my best to do that. A mistake is one thing but to be called out on it and then to defend it is totally another and that is when I get to the name calling it is no worse then what you and others want to do by defending lies and misinformation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4
A love song for those against single-payer or improved healthcare.
Gee John, I don't remember ever having a conversation with you about these things. I honestly don't remember saying the things you said that I have said.
Then Chuck dont say something is a lie that is not. The reason I get pissed at people like you is that you are the reason we have a radical like Obama as President. You closed your mind off and did not see all the relationships with radicals he had or denied he had them. Then when the proof was so evident. You say that relationships like the ones with Rev. Right and Bill Aiers (one of the founders of a terrorist organization "the Weather Underground") mean nothing. Then when we find out that he blantantly lied about what he heard in Wrights church you say it doesn't matter. So when things like Van Jones happen or ACORN or Apollo Group (Sen. Ried gave them credit for writting the stimulas bill) guess who is on the board of the Apollo Group, Jeff Jones. Guess what he did,????? thats right he was Bill Aiers partner in founding the "The Weather Underground". Now do you see why his relationships he had matter. I guess you would try and call all that a quintessense. The problem is, there is still much much more, the relationships can all be proven and they are like a web of radicals.
You see John, all you need to do is stop putting words in other peoples mouths. Look at the above quote John. You are wrong. I have not talked about these issues with you.
You are losing credibility John. That's too bad John. You seem like you really have a strong belief and that's a very good thing. It's just that you get mixed up sometimes and say things that are not true about me. And when you do that, you lose credibility with me and other members of our community.
Now for a little truth.
MRI machines: England 32 per million, Canada 46 per million, United states 87 per million. The United is also number 1 in the world among industrialized nations. They are also number 1 in the world for the amount of MRI done per million.
Xrays done per million: The United states is number 2 only to Japan.
New drug discoveries: The United States is number one in the world.
Medical breakthroughs: The United States is number one in the world.
Americans have a higher survival rate than any other country on earth for 13 of 16 of the most common cancers.
Now I will tell you how the numbers get manipulated by people like Adumbical. Here is a example if you look at the amount of hospital beds per country per million, the United states is only number 27. Unless you look deeper and take out any beds from hospitals that are not fully epuipped. You then find the United states is number one when it comes to fully equipped hopitals with beds, go further and you find that the United states is number one in amount of HOSPITALs that are fully equipped per million. Here in the USA if you did not get hooked up to a EKG you would find that strange, well it is normal for that to happen in most of the countries that beat out the USA for hospital beds per million.
Here is another example: In many of the studies the United States is compared to Canada using USAs MEDICADE stats and wait times. Why is that you ask well because that is the system Canada has (it is basically Medicade for all). Isn't that what they want all of us to be put under.
Here is another example: They like to say that the USAs “life expectancy” is lower then most others. What they forget to mention is that that includes the militarty, ethnic diversity, homicide rate, dietary habits, accident rate, tobacco use, etc. In fact, if you remove the homicide rate and accidental death rate from MVA’s (motor vehicle accidents) from this statistic, citizens of the US have a longer life expectancy than any other country on earth.
Just some truth for you all.
No candleman because you just did the samething your buddies Adumbical and Lloyd do. You call something that has been researched to be true a lie. While you did not get involved in many of the arguements, you have shown where you are coming from in the few you have. You have shown that you make the same mistakes that they do. I am almost sure you knew nothing about Van Jones before he had to resign and had known nothing about Bill Aiers or Rev. Wright until March of 2008, and even then thought nothing of the relationships. The reason is who did you vote for. Those relationships have now been proven to come back to haunt you. I guess they were more important then you thought they were.
I am not the one who needs the prayers you are. You have been lied to so much you are surprised by most things when they happen. Here is a surprise for you, JFK (a democrat) got the USA involved in Viet Nam not Nixon. Nixon started the withdraw from Viet Nam. Surprise surprise doen't that get you depressed you have been blaming the wrong party for you being in Viet Nam. Now for a little history, Democrats are resposible for getting the the USA into more wars then republicans. I do not disagree with the wars they got us into, it is just a fact of history who got us involved in them.
You are surprised that Obama could have radicals like Van Jones and Mark Lloyd and several others like the guy who wrote a book on population control and thinks it is ok to have forced sterilization of Americans (and the book give ideas on how to do this, and how to explain it away, from putting it in the drinking water to saying the constitution does not say any person has the right to have more then 2 children). Surprised, any American even has those ideas, much more so, that man is now advising our president on policies.
Here is a good example: It is harder to deal with someones death if it comes as a surprise, then if you know it will be coming.
John,
I enlisted as a Republican to serve my President. My President, Mr. Nixon lied to us. I enlisted so that we could get out of Viet Nam with honor. Mr. Nixon lied to us. Before too long I was working outside of Viet Nam in places that Mr. Nixon said he would never send us. The Republican President Mr. Nixon was a liar, is a liar, and will always be remembered as a liar, just like Mr. Bush.
Hey John, while I was protecting your right to free speech, where were you?
And, isn't this nice that we can have a conversation when you don't call me names? Thank you for that John! I do beleive that prayers get answered!
Hey dumbass, Nixon did what they should have done long before. He tried to stop a enemy from using a boarder as a safe haven to attack you from. Do you not get that dumbass. Where you fighting a different enemy then when they crossed that boarder, No dipshit it was the same one. Now as for me, I was a Marine intelligence analist (S-2) dumbass so dont act all high and mighty with me or anyone else because you were in the military because many have and even that does not give you a right to act that way. I think that FDR, JFK, and Nixon (Nixon just got caught) were all liers, Bush went from the intelligence he had. Did the Clintons lie when he and SHE (when she was a senator) both said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (do you need me to pull up the videos of her saying it). Did the UN lie when they said the samething, Did Englands Tony Blair, did Russian intelligence lie. You are such a twit you have no glue that even the UN said they had them, the difference was how they wanted to deal with it. Even Micheal Moore had to admit on the O'Rielly show after O' Rielly pinned him down like I just did that Bush was misinformed like most others.
I think someone tring to act the way you just did just because you served is as bad as calling someone names. Next time be careful of who you are talking to. Not that just because I served gives me anymore right to act as you did to someone that did not serve, dumbass.
P.S. I heard them all before like, Marine intelligence is a contradiction in terms isn't it. So dont bother.
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, there you go with that name calling again. You just can't seem to get past that. It might have come from an abusive childhood. But, whatever caused it, I'm sure that someday, you'll get over it. You have such potential John. It's a shame that your intelligence is covered over by your use of name calling.
Once again here is your double standard,
"Hey John, while I was protecting your right to free speech, where were you?"
What was that meant to be except demeaning or belittling.
So dont try you Sol Luwinski crap with me because it doesnt work, I see right through it. The point is you cant have it both ways with me. I am as comfortible down here with you as you are. I'll fight you on your own field and show how ridiculous you are.
P.S. lets not get off the original subject. I am still waiting for you to point out the lies in this article by Dick Morris that you said there were. WELL WHERE ARE THEY.
http://www.creators.com/conservative/dick-morris.html
John,
Perhaps I was wrong to use the word lie. But, the article is misleading. The very first thing that bothers me about all of this talk and even your heading on this discussion is this.
There is no program called Obamacare. There is no Obama Health Care Plan. This is all legislation the will come out of Congress. President Obama is not a member of Congress and therefore he cannot sponsor legislation.
I think that is one of the things that burns me up about all of this. President Obama is not the only American that wants Health Care Reform. Many of us do. And when we get it, we won't call it Obamacare. Just like we don't call it Bushcare. I'm talking about the prescription plan that President Bush worked with Congress on to help our Seniors with the high cost of medicine. That is a highlight of the Bush era and nobody calls it Bushcare.
Sometimes people that are opposed to something use terms that are meant to enrage the opposition. I think that is what's being done with Healthcare Reform.
So John, I won't call it a lie. But, I will call it very misleading. In fact, I'll apologize for calling it a lie. It's just a term that I think is wrongly used. And when I see it, it really bothers me. There have been some great elected officials that have worked for years on this problem. Both Republican and Democrat. In the end, in order to honor that hard work. I hope we think of it as the American Healthcare Reform Act.
I hope you understand how I feel about this now.
OK that is fare enough, Although I wish someone would have called the Bush prescription drug plan "OBushydrugs". If that is what was needed to get a bad plan to be killed, then so be it.
The title saying Obamacare does not bring the whole or even part of the article into question, titles are titles. I will also contend that if Obama is the driving force behind it, you dont see the others talking about it, he has been the one that has been all over the tube promoting it. This is his plan weather you want to admit it or not. Just as The bush prescription drug plan was his. As an example who will or got credit for them. Do you see what I am saying.
So in conclusion you could have said "boy john that TITLE is misleading". What you did is bring the article into question which is far from the truth. Most of the article comes from what the Baukas bill said and what the congressional budget office says about it.
There are basic facts in the article and that is if you did not pay for insurance before you are going to get fined by the IRS (basically a tax) of 3800 (now 1900 because it just changed in commitee). There is a basic fact that if you have a insurance polocy that has a prenium over 8,000 dollars, you will now be taxed on it (hey didn't Obama say to McCain that that was crazy to do (tax insurance)). There is a basic fact that if you were not insured before and decide to get it that before you get a subsidy from the government you will pay between 15 and 20% of your income to get insurance. There is a basic fact that it will cut Medicare by cutting payments to doctors. (Yea doctors are in favor of Obamas kind of healthcare reform. As I said before it makes that poll I put up more reasonible to understand doesn't it, "thats right I want to work harder for less, thats exactly what I want")
Great John, I think we understand each other a bit better on this one.
I've served in both the Executive branch of government as an elected Mayor, and as an elected County Manager, and the legislative branch as an elected City Council Member and as an elected Board of Education Member. And I know all to well how Mayors, School Superintendants, and County Managers take credit or are given credit for things that they could not have ever accomplished without the legislators making it happen. It's just a pet peev of mine.
I know very well that President Obama isn't getting everything in Healthcare Reform that he wants, because he has no control over Congress.
There are many Democrats, including me, that just can't see our way to everything that the President wants. That is the total beauty of our form of Government.
Have fun with that kid John. I've got five, they're all grown and I'm onto the Grandkids now. What a blast!!!!
Yea but the thing is, even the senate Buakas bill will mean the middle class are going to be hit with a major tax increase for healthcare reform.
You better read this article also.
http://www.creators.com/conservative...dle-class.html
Now take that along with the other thread that I put up that says the democrats on the senate writting the bill also voted to make sure we dont see the bill before it is voted on or to have the CBO finish the cost anaysis on it before they vote on it. This is something everyone that does not want a major tax increase for health reform should be calling their senator on.
I am telling you, I am giving you some common sense, logic, and facts. YOU WILL PAY THROUGH THE NOSE FOR THE SENATES HEALTHCARE REFORM.
There are other ways that will not cost you and me a dime that will bring down health care. The problem for the democrats is the republicans plan dont involve having big government involved.