Is Howard SIRI?

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06-18-2009, 04:54 PM
SiriuslyLong

Is Howard SIRI?

My opinion is "yes", and SIRI will die from it.

We witnessed what happened today.

Now for the future. Will Howard want a sweeter deal yet, a deal SIRI really can't afford? Does Howard subscribe to the belief that if he's worth $100 MM a year now, that only a chump would sign for less?

Will he find another medium like www.howardstern.com where he can stream both his live show AND his On Demand video to HIS subscribers whilst leaving SIRI behind to rot in the desert sun? Then he can sign other distribution deals for additional outlets.

Howard is loyal; we know that. But he's not loyal to any of us common shareholders. I think he's gone.
06-18-2009, 06:28 PM
zcurzan
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4.5 million SIRIUS listeners tune-in to Howard 100 in a typical week and 3.5 listeners tune-in to Howard 101
22% of SIRIUS subscribers listened to Howard 100 in the past week and 16.3% listened to Howard 101
3.9 million SIRIUS subscribers listen to Howard 100 in a typical week and 2.9 listen to Howard 101
Source: http://money.aol.com/rtn/pr/efuel-ef...163?channel=pf

3.9 million + 2.9 million = 6.8 million

not all unique subs, probably lots of overlap between 100 and 101

most likely not all "dedicated" subs for howard, meaning they listen to other channels.

thoughts?
06-18-2009, 09:06 PM
SiriuslyLong

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Originally Posted by zcurzan

Source: http://money.aol.com/rtn/pr/efuel-ef...163?channel=pf

3.9 million + 2.9 million = 6.8 million

not all unique subs, probably lots of overlap between 100 and 101

most likely not all "dedicated" subs for howard, meaning they listen to other channels.

thoughts?

Great facts! I agree that there is overlap as I am one of them. I have 3 subs (previously 4 until my $400 Stilleto shit the bed (sometimes it doesn't pay to be an early adopter!)). If Howard left, we (wife and I) might keep one. We've kind of grown on Spectrum and Coffeehouse on the weekends, but clearly the draw is Howard.

SIRI can't lose the magnitude of subs you cite above. It's going to be interesting.
06-19-2009, 12:54 AM
clueless

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Originally Posted by SiriuslyLong

Howard is loyal; we know that. But he's not loyal to any of us common shareholders. I think he's gone.

What happened today shows me that he is not loyal.

Although, Bubba did say those guys were ridiculously cheap pains in the asses so maybe management was really screwing him on something. I just dont see how wanting more money here helps him or the company. The only way this helps is if this is all a big game that can be resolved by next friday, anything longer then that just pisses off subscribers and lets too much negative press loose. Recovering from that app store rating they have right now wont be easy.
06-19-2009, 01:09 AM
imromo24

sxm is the only in car solution available that brings premium content to the driver and passengers for people who don't have the tech savvy to hook up a bunch of wires or signals.

My wife has 36 XM channels programmed into her new car and not one is howard or o&a. all of this talk about howard being the end all is absolute bull shit. 90% (unofficial #) of all the websites that mention howard end up with comments that say howard is old and lost...(i don't agree with this, his show is excellent, the point is there are another 100million plus people beside the 6 million or whatever that listen to howard.)

I listen to howard, howard is great but you know what...I listen to hip hop nation and shade 45 for 6 or more hours out of the day.
06-19-2009, 01:10 AM
Siriustunes

I am not diminishing the fact that Howard is a big draw, but he is not the live or die of SIRI.
There are many, many more people that would prefer other content than Howard. And would be willing to pay for it.

Howard pulls through a great deal of subs, no doubt. But to say that those subs could not be replaced or exceeded with various other content offers is short sighted. If SIRI had to acquiesce its entire existence on HS then there would have been no need for a merger. The company with HS should have beat the crap out of the competition.

Now if SIRI cannot come up with new and innovative content, then yes they are doomed. But I am willing to bet that new content will begin to develop just like HBO and Showtime did for themselves. Remember they use to just deliver content, then they started producing it themselves.

SXM has the same opportunity. Lets just see if the grasp it.
06-19-2009, 01:16 AM
imromo24

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Originally Posted by Siriustunes

Howard pulls through a great deal of subs, no doubt. But to say that those subs could not be replaced or exceeded with various other content offers is short sighted. If SIRI had to acquiesce its entire existence on HS then there would have been no need for a merger. The company with HS should have beat the crap out of the competition.

EXACTLY!

why don't people see this...XM was doing just fine without Howard.
06-19-2009, 09:43 AM
SiriuslyLong

Great discourse.

Will SIRI re-sign Howard? How? As noted above, I don't think it will happen. You?
06-19-2009, 10:05 AM
zcurzan

I don't listen to his show enough to know if he still has his heart in it. But even if he no longer wanted to do his show everyday, I can't see him walking away from it completely. At the very least he would continue to have a branded channel "produced" by him with all of the 100 and 101 talent. (Shade 45) and maybe pop in from time to time. The move to satellite radio was an iconic point in his career, I can't see him turning his back on it.

On a side note, whats that 60-percent-of-all-satellite-subscribers-are-listening-to-Howard-figure that gets thrown around? I see it attributed back to Howard saying it on his show, but is that just him talking out of his ass or was there some kind of research done to back it up.
06-19-2009, 10:56 AM
SiriuslyLong

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Originally Posted by zcurzan

I don't listen to his show enough to know if he still has his heart in it. But even if he no longer wanted to do his show everyday, I can't see him walking away from it completely. At the very least he would continue to have a branded channel "produced" by him with all of the 100 and 101 talent. (Shade 45) and maybe pop in from time to time. The move to satellite radio was an iconic point in his career, I can't see him turning his back on it.

On a side note, whats that 60-percent-of-all-satellite-subscribers-are-listening-to-Howard-figure that gets thrown around? I see it attributed back to Howard saying it on his show, but is that just him talking out of his ass or was there some kind of research done to back it up.

I don't question his heart; I think it's about his wallet, and the scenario I first noted above is all about his wallet. SIRI can't pay him more.

I hadn't heard the 60% citation. Man, that's a lot if it's true.
06-19-2009, 11:02 AM
SiriusBuzz

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Originally Posted by Siriustunes

Howard pulls through a great deal of subs, no doubt. But to say that those subs could not be replaced or exceeded with various other content offers is short sighted. If SIRI had to acquiesce its entire existence on HS then there would have been no need for a merger. The company with HS should have beat the crap out of the competition.

Wouldnt you consider the manner in which Sirius almost caught XM beating the crap out of the competition? If XM signed Howard (they had the chance) there would have been no merger, you would be talking about a satrad company with 15 million vs a company with 1 million and bankrupt.

I dont think Howard is SIRI but, Sirius XM is going to have a very hard time survivng this period of penny pinching and debt payments without him in a year. I dont know how they can afford to lose that many subs and survive.
06-24-2009, 06:35 PM
imromo24

I think not..howard is not SIRI

See this, howard is big but SIRI is attracting big, big names...

Quote:

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http://www.djskee.com/about.html
06-25-2009, 05:21 PM
SiriuslyLong

Are you being sarcastic? I never heard of the guy, but if he brings a fraction of 20 MM listeners, that would be great.
06-25-2009, 05:33 PM
imromo24

No, not being sarcastic.

the 20 million # wasn't followers though i think thats just total downloads or what not, but sure he could bring subscribers.

My main point was that SXM has the top talents in all fields. They will continue to add the top talent.

Alot of people hate Shade 45, but Eminem had the best sales this year I think of all musicians?

DJ skee is touted as the best DJ.

Just trying to show how the other forms of entertainment are top of the line at SXM so the answer is no, howard stern is not Sirius xm although it is made out that he is.
06-26-2009, 10:35 AM
SiriuslyLong

Great news then. I decided after hearing Howard's rant yesterday that as a stockholder, I am a SIRI fan first. Howard is pulling this shit, but one thing he probably doesn't know it that a large % of his fans are stockholders (like me). I'm sure that's something new to him, and I doubt he fully understands.
08-26-2009, 10:16 AM
SiriuslyLong

This is what I have been saying all along.

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Howard can take his franchise direct.
08-27-2009, 03:45 PM
SiriusBuzz

You and me both, I totally agree.
09-08-2009, 01:23 PM
sentimental48

I think 1 of 2 things will happen. Howard will re up with Sirius/XM. Or he will go back to regular radio for another giant pay day. When his contract talks heat up I KNOW there are going to be companies that will pay millions upon millions to lure him back.
09-11-2009, 03:29 PM
SiriuslyLong

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Originally Posted by sentimental48

I think 1 of 2 things will happen. Howard will re up with Sirius/XM. Or he will go back to regular radio for another giant pay day. When his contract talks heat up I KNOW there are going to be companies that will pay millions upon millions to lure him back.

I don't see him going back to terrestrial no matter how much money they throw at him. He has "**** you" money already. It's either SIRI or he goes it alone on the web, but I've been wrong before.

It's a strange dyanmic at play in the sense that which medium will generate the most listeners and the most $$$ - terrestrial, satellite or web, along with the best exposure (terrestrial is "free", and everyone has access to a radio).

I also tend to think that Howard's audience is aging, and quite possibly shrinking. Those of us who follow him have done so for a long time (me 1987). He lost a sizeable chunk going to SIRI; I wonder if he'd lose another chunk going it alone???? He'd lose me. I'm done chasing entertainment.

I did read an article this week that suggested he work out a dual Sat / Ter deal like Bubba (and the XM guys too, no?).